Endogenic - Blog Posts

Do you have any stance on syscorse (specifically regarding non traumagenic systems)?

Endogenic systems are dope and anyone who says/thinks otherwise can fuck off until they're willing to understand.

it's because they are :> <3

Headmate who (with much love in his heart) calls the others losers

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sometimes it feels like I peaked when I was 10,

i mean what, no I guess I was allso literally dropped on my head lel

transbraindamaged

a flag for people who are transbraindamaged. I'm sure this has already been made before, so take it as a recoin.

If I make this blog a manual for how to stalk, manipulate and kidnap me maybe I'll finally meet the love of my life

∆ ««« System Overview

We're the L-System ("Leo" or "Lilly"), pychotic incel faggot-tranny loser (he/him, any).

We have relationships between system members (4-8, on&off for at least 4 years). feel free to ask us about it

We tried dating externally many times but it never worked. We're too much of a freak for normies and we never felt properly bonding with anyone else. i really just want to obsessively fall in love with a cutely controlling/manipulative boyfriend-girlfriend, is that too much to ask?!

»»» ∆ TransIDs and MUDs

Our body is an adult and our system and subsystems consists of 12 main alters, . : we're transitioning to psychotic and delusional with weed and adderall. : it feels nice when ppl online encourage us 🥺

cisids: autism, adhd, cptsd, ptsd, bpd, npd

Our transid list is always changing so some of these might change, altho others definitely won't.

radqueer, gay, genderfuck, aro/ace, transage, permahigh, permastoned, permadrugged, permateen, sex doll, prey, victim,

transharmed, transpsychotic, transdelusional, transamputee (?), transdentures, transabusevictim, transforcedsh, transsuibait, transed, transanorexia, transana, (corpse) )

We also experience "some" MUDs:

• Mirror Infatuation Identity Disorder

« ∆ » Other labels

Some of us identify with the labels retard, faggot, cripple and probably some other ableist slurs that I forgot rn.

DMs and asks open if u really wanna know. pls be nice 🥺

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(fuck nazis transphobes sexists racists etc etc)

bf and I are doing movie night and we're both so giddy about it uwu

we put up a mirror next to our seat so we can turn to each other to make jokes and it feels validating as fuck,,

"Get angry at #Thing so I dont have to think about it" is just so stupidly textbook behavior, I feel sorry for people like this online,

Victims of social media honestly more than anything else. Annoying cuntwads nonetheless.

Fuck it. Go have fun with your system. People tell you that you're roleplaying because you have odd/cringe experiences? Fuck them. Your experiences are real. And regardless, roleplay is available to everyone and is a fun past time, even if you ARE roleplaying about your system. Go system hop, date your headmates, get overt with it, obsess about interests (which if you're an introject, may be yourself). Life is too short to be worried about haters hating on you. What are they gonna do? Send a hate anon? Ohh I'm so scared~

anti-endo logic: endogenic systems don't exist, quick, bully them until they develop enough trauma to become a REAL plural

Skillfully avoiding a bingo it seems

edit: OH SHIT i realized since last night someone fake-claimed me :D :D but still doesn't get me a bingo :(

To anybody who likes bingos :)) - Unknown

i did a silly doodle of me and spins :) i love them so much augh!! /fam (<- yep, they're my sibling now >:) the scug instincts were stronger than me /silly)

I just ran into this on my feed, and I'm having trouble looking up the info, so maybe someone here could tell me (please?);

What are endogenic systems and traumagenic systems, in regards to mental illness (and maybe autism)?

Are you supportive of endogenics it doesn't say anywhere and I can't tell if I need to ignore the blog or not (no offense I just don't fw endos)

Hi there, anon! We are a traumagenic system and we believe that plurality only develops through trauma. We do not police what kind of trauma is “enough” to cause plurality. We also don’t believe that all “endogenic” systems are faking (they may not have access to the memories of the trauma that they went through or they may be experiencing other forms of dissociation or mental health concerns), so we don’t go out of our way to attack anyone based on their system origin. I hope that makes sense.

No one's against plurality because of religion/spiritual beliefs. I'm not against that, but that's not what the majority of "endogenics" are. Endos hide behind the fact that spirituality can play a role in plurality to call anti-endos racist/anti-religion, even if they aren't part of that spiritual practice. The problem anti-endos are talking about are people who say they're systems completely without trauma or anything else. They say they have chosen to be a system because of stress, neurodivergency, literally anything. That is not fucking possible. Plurality that forms without spiritual attachment can only be caused by trauma that happened before the age of seven. STFU and learn what we're talking about.

This isn't specifically targeted at the original poster or anon, but it's an important point I had to make.

Wanted to get ur perspective on this but, I think the reason why so many anti-endos are in fact anti endogenic bc they view being a system as being purely a medical diagnosis. So if ur looking at a spiritual system (like me for example uwu) through the lenses of what a medical system should look like then ofc that spiritual system isn't gonna appear valid. And yet when other systems who aren't medical systems say "hey, we only appear invalid to you bc ur viewing us through the wrong lenses, switch ur gaze homie" they absolutely REFUSE to view systems any other way bc their entire perception of systems is purely medical and they refuse the idea of systems existing in any other form bc they have such a tight grasp on this one perspective.

Definitely!

And I think some of this comes down to semantics, equating "system" with DID/OSDD while most of the plural community uses it as a catch-all term for all plural systems, and the actual psychologists have a completely different definition. It's not even a scientific disagreement but one over the definition of a word.

Although, I will remind people that when it is a scientific disagreement, anti-endos don't have any ground to stand on. Regarding spiritual systems specifically, there have been many studies on spiritual mediums and others experiencing possession that have shown different brain activity compared to people simply imagining. Scientists can't prove whether this is actually spiritual or just psychological, but the phenomenon is recognized as real in psychological communities in the way that it's not just people faking or pretending they have these experiences. Nor are these experiences considered mental illnesses or disorders, and they have little to no connection to trauma.

It's always good to remember that spiritual systems were the first types of plurals recognized by society.

I also want to add that being unable to view systems through different lenses can have a lot of harmful repercussions even among OSDD and DID systems. Plurality is a broad spectrum that encompasses a lot of different phenomena. The same way an OSDD system might have difficulty empathizing with a spiritual system, they might also have that same trouble with one that functions in ways that are different from their own. For example, a system who has no internal communication might disbelieve experiences of those who do. Or one with few headmates might not believe experiences of systems with hundreds of headmates. The same could be said of complex inner worlds or any number of other experiences.

Just a reminder to everyone that everybody experiences plurality in their own way, and that just because someone's experiences are different from your own doesn't mean they weren't actually experienced.

Even as someone who is pro-endogenic, I think it is important to say that the research done on DID, OSDD, and other trauma-based dissociative conditions is still valuable and important, even if you’re not a traumagenic system.

I’m not saying you need to be an expert or spend several hours reading so many books and peer-reviewed papers that you might as well have a PhD. I’m saying that having a basic grasp of concepts like C-PTSD, structural dissociation, and the core clinical models of trauma-based plurality will help you become a better ally to traumagenic systems, mixed-origin systems (like me), and traumatized endogenic systems.

I’ve noticed that some endogenic spaces have a tendency to either dismiss research on traumagenic systems as irrelevant or criticize it for not including endogenic experiences. But here’s the thing… that doesn’t mean the existing research is wrong. It’s just focused on a different population of people whose system formed because of trauma.

Research doesn’t extensively talk about endogenic or mixed-origin systems because those aren’t typically studied in a clinical (i.e., pathological) context. That doesn’t make our experiences less valid. It just means we exist outside the current research. And that’s okay. But it is still good to understand where traumagenic systems are coming from because not all of us are without trauma, and we need you as an ally. Especially if we want mutual respect and solidarity within plural spaces.

I think about this a lot because if endogenic spaces were a lot more like this a few years ago, I would’ve gotten support and found community a lot sooner. It has gotten a lot better since the last time I’ve been in plural spaces, but there is still more room to grow.

Edit: I completely forgot that i made this intro post already bdhsjs

2025 Intro Post!:

-minor

-otherkin/alterhuman

-pro endos, traumagenic systems, created systems, Parogenic systems, willogenic systems, mixed orgin systems

-pro trans lives matter, pro queer lives matter, pro protect trans kids/protect queer kids

DNI:

-queerphobes, transphobes, anti endo, anti created systems, anti parogenic systems, ani willogenic systems. Generally rude and disrespectful people.

Rules: no NSFW art of my characters (when i am an adult, that art is allowed for my ADULT characters)

-if you don’t like my stuff then please scroll and don’t interact just block me

-i might take doodle requests (if i have time/energy) 3 slots, 1 per person

Please RB if your blog is a safe space for all non-traumagenic, mixed origin, etc. systems

I get people come to me for places to learn about systems, I need to give them some blogs that won't turn them into a sysmed

Thank you thank you thank you I love the science source I'm sending this to my friend because they wanted info and I'm so happy grrrrraaahhhhhgg!!!

-Chan

Dear r/systemscringe... you're being lied to...

You're in an echo chamber. One that bans anyone who goes against it. They will feed you irrelevant distractions of "sources" that don't address the real topic to keep you complacent, but people who link to anything that contradicts the narrative of the hate subreddit will be banned from it just like I was.

The other day, there was a screenshot of a post I made on that subreddit.

A user asked if this was correct. They were immediately fed a bunch of irrelevant sources that only addressed DID. And they were downvoted for even questioning if there might be anything behind what I said.

The links on the comment don't work. But even if they did, WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT DID.

There is a very manipulative trick being used here to focus specifically on DID when they know that this isn't the claim being made.

Let's start by establishing a few facts. Including the actual claim.

Claim: You can be plural without trauma or a disorder

What being plural means: Plurality is an umbrella of phenomena where a single-body experiences multiple self-conscious agents of some kind. These agents may be identified by the system as having origins that are spiritual or psychological. Psychologists use a variety of terms to refer to these agents such as "distinct personality states" or "dissociative parts."

Now, with the basic definition out of the way, let's talk about...

The sources r/systemscringe doesn't want you to see!

The most explicit in using plural community language is in Transgender Mental Health by Dr. Eric Yarbrough. This book was reviewed and published by the American Psychiatric Association.

Below are some choice excerpts from the book's chapter on Plurality.

This establishes the following:

The phenomenon of plurality is not the same as DID. (Which is why the sources discussing DID being caused by trauma are irrelevant distractions.)

Many plurals are happy being plural and not distressed by their plurality. (Important since "distress or impairment" are a criterion of DID and OSDD in the DSM-5.)

Plurality isn't necessarily caused by trauma.

In the World Health Organization's ICD-11, the term used for dissociative identities is "distinct personality states."

The ICD-11 includes the "boundary with normality where it states that you can experience the presence of "two or more distinct personality states" without a mental disorder.

This is, again, using a term it uses synonymously with dissociative identities. It's essentially using different words to say the same things as the Plurality chapter of Transgender Mental Health.

Do you need more sources?

Is the World Health Organization and a book published by the American Psychiatric Association not enough?

How about this study discussing multiplicity as a continuum of experiences?

The one thing that's been lacking for a while has been neurological studies into non-disordered systems. There is a currently-unpublished neurological study that was conducted into tulpamancy systems by Stanford University. Tulpamancy, for those unaware, is a mostly psychological practice of creating headmate through intentional effort.

The neurologist who led this study discussed the results in an AMA in the r/tulpas subreddit:

Essentially, the brain of tulpamancers showed different activity when a tulpa was controlling a limb versus when the host simply imagined someone moving their limbs.

If you're from r/systemscringe and this is the first time you've heard of any of these papers, that is by design!

The subreddit and most anti-endo communities are designed to keep you ignorant. Only their view is permitted. Anyone who contradicts their views, anyone who links to academic source that show the existence of endogenic plurality, is banned!

This is how they operate. It's how they keep you hateful. It's how they control you.

Remember, if there was a single paper out there that contradicted these studies, where even one doctor said you need trauma to be plural, r/systemscringe would have provided that by now.

The reason they only give sources about DID is because they can't find even one single doctor to say you need trauma or a disorder to be plural.

They want you to be ignorant. They want you to not find out what the actual professionals and experts think!

I'm trying to prove a point to the body's sister lol. There's no DNI for this post btw, just don't start any crap in the comments.

disclaimer: im not a fan of endogenic systems, i dont believe you can be a system and not have trauma but i have questions for endogenic systems:

for endogenics or ppl that call themselves mixed origin because some alters are formed without trauma; you are aware that thats called an aparent normal part and thats a sign of trauma correct? like everything on the dissociation spectrum has it so you have to have at least one anp

how do you even know where one alter ends and another begins? youd have to dissociate to have the amnesia barriers seperating your parts and to do that means youd need like a huge stresser in your life which would be the caus of you being plural which would then make you traumagenic so like how does that even work?

also does anyone have actual trustworthy resources on endogenic systems that supports their existance?

questions! 1, 4 and 21 :}

This post is gonna be long, so if you want to read it, press the "keep reading" thing!

1. Kintypes?

Ok, gonna answer for all of us who are known, lol. We are working on making/creating some packmates that aren't included in this post.

For me, it's wolf, dog, cat, crow, and ockins (Zuki, Cyan, and Akay. Zuki is MHA/BNHA, Cyan is RWBY, and Akay is DDLC). And then also "mixtures" of the previous ("actual") animal kins (such as wolfdog, cat + crow, etc). I might actually have more kins than this, but these are the known ones.

We have Shirley, who shifts between multiple (if not all) medium and big dog breeds [and some other canines, like wolves and foxes]. There is also Lynix, who shifts between multiple kinds of felines (domestic cat breeds, lions, etc). Declan is a cat. Den is a dragon.

Mystery and Lakey are hard to actually pinpoint what they actually are, lol. But they aren't human.

We have (oc) fictives as well. We don't know whether to really count them for their "fictiveness," but they do fit under the alterhuman and nonhuman communities, and they use those terms, so we will talk about them a bit. Vesper is a fallen angel from the Helluvaverse (if you [general you] don't like that we have a Hazbin Hotel/Helluva Boss fictive than just block us pls). Okami is a werecreature from MHA/BNHA [my cousin!!!]. Oynx is a wolfdog animatronic from FNAF. Phalen is a werecreature from the Harry Potter universe [not sure what timeline they are from, lol]. Moonfire is a tiefling dragon mix from DND [we have never actually played DND in this life sadly].

We also have a "subsystem" (we call it a subpack, lol. As we use pack instead of system) that is fictive(s) from Encanto [we are bodily white, so if this upsets anyone, just block us please]. We aren't gonna go into any real detail about this subpack, but we will say that none of them are (actually) human, lol.

4. Favorite kintype?

This is hard, lol. For the longest time, I was mainly talking about Zuki, but I don't think I would call Zuki my "favorite." I miss my life as Zuki, but I also miss my life as Cyan and Akay. I miss being more animal-like than this stupid human body [this body is stupid cause it doesn't fit any of us, not because 'humans are bad' btw. We don't hate humans. We may have fear and shit of (unknown to us) humans, but we don't hate humans]. Anyways, I would probably just say a mixture of all of my ("actual") animal kins, so a wolfdog cat crow creature, lol.

Don't think we/I am gonna answer for the others, cause this is longer than we thought it'd be.

21. How does your plurality affect your alterhumanity?

Hey, it's our question we added for us!!! Also, did we use "affect" right?

Anyways, our plurality affects our alterhumanity in many ways, lol. We have talked a bit about multiple of our/my packmates in this post already. None of us in the "Wildlife Pack" are human. We are all alterhumans and nonhumans.

Our plurality is also very much intertwined with our alterhumanity. It is essentially part of our alterhumanity. While some plural beings may not consider themselves alterhumans, plurality is/can be a part of the alterhuman umbrella. And that is definitely the case for us.

We don't know exactly what our origin is for our plurality but we are pretty sure (around 99.99% sure) that we do not have a CDD [CDD means complex dissociative disorder, which are things like DID, OSDD, etc]. We also think trauma at least impacted our plurality even if it didn't cause it, so we mostly call ourselves quoitraumagenic, but we might not 100% fit under "traumagenic." Anyways, we are 100% pro endo and endo safe!! If anyone doesn't like that, block us.

- Shay 🐾

Anyways, we/I have ranted for a lot of this post, lol. So this is gonna be the end of it for now.

Also, if there are any mistakes with spelling, grammar, etc. Only correct us if you are meaning it in a constructive way, please. As we are bad with English (despite it being our main/only language in this life/body, lol). [We are disabled in multiple ways, and it affects us in multiple ways.]