especially after the events of olympus it is paramount that fgo players understand that they are not above the narrative, and the story’s antagonists will never be as cartoonish and one-dimensional as they might think they are. their motivations, their thoughts, and their goals will always be more complex than the most surface level reading, and often you will not know what they are right away. passing judgment upon them is stupid, the decisions they’ve made come from far more gray and far less lenient circumstances. it’s always been that way. you are not immune to making those same choices. that’s the point. from the earliest days of the fate series, way back during the original vn era, one of the most compelling and prevalent ideas within the story was you might have something in common with your worst enemy. you might have also walked down their path had your roles been reversed. you cannot say you could have objectively done better or worse simply because you have the benefit of hindsight and because your experiences were different. shit, ubw smacks you on the head with this by making its main protagonist and main antagonist the same fucking person.
this is especially evident with the crypters. everyone wants to brand them as insecure, jealous, holier-than-thou mass murderers. this is disproven as early as lostbelt 1. kadoc didn’t take part in the bleaching of the earth’s surface. he says explicitly that when he woke up from cryostasis, the world had already been bleached. he wasn’t truly jealous of you, he was taking out the trauma of being denied a purpose and then dying out on someone like him. had guda been in his position, they would’ve reacted the same. he cools off in lostbelt 2, which is why he is kinder and happy to see your gaze has regained some measure of resolve.
ophelia, akuta, and pepe also reinforce this. none of them took part of the bleaching, and they killed no one. the bleaching was all the alien god. the lostbelts were all the work of the alien god. the only thing here that matters is that the alien god chose wodime as their emissary, and the other crypters were expendable. kirschtaria did not accept this. he would not abandon his friends, his comrades, his family. the choice was to cooperate with the alien god or die. could you have seriously, in all honesty, chosen differently? could you, knowing the entire earth was doomed by a product of its history, honestly have decided to keel over and taken your loved ones down with you? could you look me in the eye with zero bullshit and zero hesitation and tell me to my face you wouldn’t have chosen to cooperate if it meant you had an opportunity to turn things around so none of those billions of deaths were for nothing and the world wouldn’t belong to the being behind that destruction?
the lostbelt competition was a foregone conclusion. everyone knew kirschtaria was going to win, because the contest was designed that way. the alien god only intended for kirschtaria to win, and kirschtaria knew this. which is why he used his connection to the crypters as leverage. the other lostbelts were never meant to survive, they were kirschtaria’s way of keeping the crypters out of the alien god’s watch. that’s why kadoc, pepe, and beryl weren’t killed by kirschtaria when their lostbelts went SNAFU. it is an immensely cruel thing to do to all those worlds and all those lives, yet would you have done differently? if the lives of your loved ones were at stake, if you were being surveilled at all times with a gun to your head ready to pull the trigger at the slightest disobedience, would you have been so reckless as to put the people you cared about in harm’s way? because that’s what kirschtaria’s position was. the alien god was ready to crush kirschtaria’s heart if he broke their contract, and tipping off the crypters that he intended to do so would’ve gotten them all killed.
ultimately, that’s what drives the conflict between chaldea and the crypters. the shared need to survive pitting them against each other. there is no guarantee chaldea can restore proper human history, and wodime could not take that chance when he had a plan of his own and the clear methods with which to accomplish it. a new world, a new humanity, free to make new mistakes and reach new heights, free from the grip of the gods, free from the grip of the systemic forces that plagued not just the lostbelts but proper human history itself.
and i need to stress that the story isn’t trying to justify the deaths (if we can even call them that, in all likelihood) of 7 billion people by trying to say “maybe wodime was right!” what the story is saying is that, if there was a staggering loss of life, what alternative would humanity have to even have hope of moving forward? through lostbelts 1 - 4, you may be helping these worlds die peacefully, but you are still letting them die over the chance that you might restore proper human history. your success is an uncertain inkling, yet you have no choice but to move forward and accrue suffering to make sure NONE of those deaths are in vain. you are not judged for it, because the story knows there is no right or wrong answer to this kind of conflict, and the same principle applies to the crypters.
need i remind you that olympus ends with people being crushed by buildings, abandoning all hope, quivering and perishing in absolute terror as the only world they’ve ever known crumbles around them and the only beings that could save them were killed by your hand and by your order because there was no other way out. it is a gruesome death, an unsightly death. and it is brought about by your actions, and it is a terrible burden. and it is the exact same burden carried by kirschtaria, because he was a member of team A tasked with safeguarding humanity, and he failed. he does not claim that proper human history is full of too many mistakes to salvage because he is above them. he claims so because he also made mistakes in his own limited existence and doesn’t want that for whatever humanity can still exist in the world he means to make.
and you know what? kirschtaria even understands what you’re doing. he is the only one who can. he cannot agree but he understands. which is why he never denies you the opportunity to prove yourself. he opposes you, challenges you, dares you. but he never denies you. he says “you think you can bring back proper human history? prove it. prove you have the conviction necessary to bear it and beat me with it.” and then you do. because he wanted you to, because he believed in you from the very start that you could do it if you set your mind to it because kirschtaria wodime for better or worse believes in mankind, and you do too.
so, tl;dr you and the crypters are the same do not be so arrogant as to pretend you are better than the story and you are the perfect blameless unbiased judge of everything ever because you look really stupid doing that
*after hitting breaking point and snapped at both Gilgamesh*
Gudako: I scared them, didn’t I?
Enkidu: They’re terrified of you.
Gudako: *smiling* That makes me so happy.
If you're going to demand someone google whatever they've asked you instead of giving an earnest and informed answer, consider whether or not the person in question is less interested in the information itself and more interested in connecting with you as a person. Consider whether they wanna bond with you over a shared interest, demonstrate their trust in your expertise on a given topic, whether an easy question is meant to open a path to easy information or an easy way to get to know you better.
something about death flags (those quickly approaching and those already passed)
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Fate/Grand Order From Lostbelt Chapter 30: Give My Regards to Olga Marie
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Enki-do my math homework
avengers must give what is possibly the most powerful second hand embarrasment in existance considering that unlike most servants they're completely unironic about how they love guda and dont keep the "im a weapon" mentality for too long. I walk into the chaldea mess hall and edmond literally morphs out of the table i sat at to be by my side and cuddle me while i eat breakfast. I do farming dailies and gorgon cant stop coiling herself around me and keeps saying its to more efficiently conserve mana. I bump into salieri in the hallway and he starts sobbing and thanking me for loving him. nobu for all their shits and giggles still feels the pain that comes hand in hand with avenger classing so they just like to have a book read to them quietly. angra beats me in a video game and starts apologizing about daring to try and ruin me. I walk into my room ready to enjoy my government sanctioned McChaldea Mcflurry and find jalter sobbing on my bed about how she doesnt matter. I give her the flurry. She cries into that too. Shes hugging me and crying but also spilling the flurry everywhere. All the other servants look at these displays and turn their heads bc emotional openness is the servant equivalent of being a loud shameless couple making out in public. Mash cant make eye contact with me anymore bc she thinks im banging all of them. it may be true
i still think about this scene. chaldea has witnessed guda fight one too many battles that has them on the verge of getting killed. enough to the point where they believe in their inability to get killed (yet). when they temporarily left guda to the hands of the enemy, they really trusted that chance of them not dying within the timeframe given. they really believed in it despite the obvious possibility that one's fate can always change. with them making this decision, im concerned about chaldea's future choices more and more. guda already sees themself as a disposable master ready to be replaced by kadoc but chaldea having that logic of "as long as they arent in critical condition, theyre fine. they can come later." for them really worries me.
what happens if kriem decided to just kill them then and there when they got presented to her? what happened if salome just didnt resist seeing guda as jokanaan?
arent you guys getting too confident in that ability of guda's? are you going to hand guda to the enemy and pray that their infinite charisma saves all of them? you already know the side effects of using the Black Barrel, the least you guys could do is pull out all the stops to keep them safe
are you forgetting that theyre human in the end? a fragile one even as they have been shattered and remade again and again, human but put together with missing pieces, chipped and glued together but still usable
i wonder if romani and caster da vinci would have prioritized guda... i wonder how things would have turned out if current chaldea were much more careful than letting their most important field operative and cornerstone of their mission inject themselves with active ampoules again and again, even if theyre coughing up blood from exertion.
guda cant tell current chaldea about their insecurities already, and its painful to look at.
Vernal, she/her, 26, multi fandom, mostly follow FGO content
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