Absolutely feel this!!!
Although we ourselves aren't "physically" nonhuman. Sadly, this body is human, no matter how much we wish it weren't. Though we are fully nonhuman.
Many people probably wouldn't get the difference between the two, but for us, there is a difference no matter how small it might be. Honesty, the main difference is that we feel we aren't allowed to call ourselves one because of the fact that this body is human.
Physical nonhumans are very safe here, and they don't have to call themselves delusional or anything like that. If you are physically nonhuman, you are safe to fully be yourself on our blog. We would love to see more physical nonhumans around!!
It's sad that this is something we actually have to mention because, honestly, it should just be known and shit. It's sad that the distrust and fear of people who hurt others makes this required to be said so that people can know that they are safe here.
We aren't hurting anyone, so why can't we be ourselves?
Hopefully, one day, we can be free to be yourselves.
- Shay ๐พ
I find myself often struggling with feelings of Misanthropy, they are to me not feelings I particularly like. I know where they come from and why they exist, and even though I do not like them, I understand where they come from and that it is not unreasonable for me to have them. (Continued below the break - Length: 2078 words)
I find that often the community has this push against misanthropy and for particular positivity of humans and humanity, even to the point of shaming those of us who have those feelings including from trauma and hurt. I have a couple friends on here who have expressed either in general or to me that feeling that they have to hide those feelings or worry I will react badly to it. I feel it myself worrying about expressing particular anger for things done to me.
I do think there are multiple types and levels of misanthropy, and it seems likely we are using the same word for different experiences, and perhaps I am using this word wrong. I had discussed this topic after some back and forth with Rani on the subject and determined that we were more or less talking about different aspects of the same word but maybe there is another word that better describes my own relationship with humanity.
There is that misanthropy that seems to take the form of ecofascism, of humans being a virus or particularly evil or destructive. There is misanthropy that takes the form mainly of a belief in superiority in themselves over the humans for various justifications. There is the misanthropy that stems largely from hurt from the actions of humans to the individual themselves that seems to come as fear and distrust and discontentment towards them. I am certain there is a lot of other varieties and there can be crossover between them.
I do not think humans are inherently evil or even uniquely destructive beyond their numbers and intelligence. Heck the penis worm may have ended the Ediacaran. Nor do I think the bad things humans have done to myself, and others, is something inherent to them. Humans are a very communal species who only survived off their collaboration between each other and other animals, but now live in a very stressful environment that encourages individuality and often rewards cruelty. Painted Dogs similarly are very communal and cooperative animals in their packs but confined to captivity can kill each other. A similar story exists for orca as well especially during the earlier days of captivity. Nor do I believe myself superior to the humans. I do find these first two types of misanthropy rather frustrating, but still like my own experience, it seems mostly to come from hurt people, people who have been abused by humans with power over them, people who have been isolated from their communities. I do not think most people come to hating humans just from the blue. My companion for instance does often echo the humans are a cancer idea from their own pain. It is at times frustrating, but I understand at least where it comes from, all the pain within them.
For myself I experience the third type. I do not hate the humans, but I do not particularly like them. I fear them. I distrust them. For me, the humans are in charge, and I have to obey them. They control the food; they control where I live; they control what happens to me and how much I hurt. If I obey them then things will be better for me. I am allowed to live outside of a hospital because I have been good and obedient. I am allowed to have my own life because I have been good and obedient. The humans have hurt me, and they continue to hurt me.
One of the common retorts to this is that it isn't fair to humans to judge them all for the actions of a few. The problem is it is not just a few, and it is not something in the past, it is something ongoing still. I still have to take pills I do not want that keep my body in this human form to be able to live outside a hospital, and if I did not take them I would be put away again and forced still to take the pills, and every step I refused to comply would only result in greater restriction until I complied or could no longer resist. It is true though only a few humans hurt me directly, only a few humans twisted my body into this shape and only a few humans did everything that was done to me in hospitals. But how many humans work in those hospitals supporting those doctors? How many humans enforce the will of those doctors and hospitals? How many people support what was done to myself and others, think that it is right and best for us, or sometimes even a gift? How many people think that what was done to me was necessary? How many think it is just how things are, maybe it isn't great but it cannot be changed? Not all of these people are equally culpable certainly, but the number of people who support this system which hurts us is really very high and I see it constantly all the time, even in just the small jokes people make. While only a few humans hold immediate power over me, in every human, or creature that fills the role of a human, for me is fear, is a need that I must obey, for they have an incredible power over me to hurt me if I do not give them what they want, and that if they do hurt me, even if they broke the rules of their society, no human would ever help me. For me, complete submission to the demands of the humans (at least externally) is the only way for my continued existence and my presence to be tolerated, and the pain I am given to be minimised.
Do not think therians are excused or immune from this; many therians do the same to us as well. I do find many therians extremely human. I find often their concerns, their desires, and their biases are often very human just with a little bit more. I know a number of people have described therianthropy as essentially human+. Therianthropy is a pretty wide spectrum of experience, and it is not inherently wrong to be on the more human side of that experience, I am simply unable to relate to it, but because of the biases many of them carry, they often hurt those like me, and you reading this may perpetuate things that do hurt those like me.
I have never really felt welcome in the therian community despite being here for near a decade now. It was not until around two or three years ago I felt comfortable to call myself a therian. I have schizophrenia and clinical zoanthropy (often shortened to CLCZ here), or those are at least the humansโ explanations of what I experience/d. The community has for a long time not been good to zoanthropes. I have been unwelcome in a lot of communities and it was often made clear to me over and over my experience was not the same as theirs. In order to be tolerated generally it had to be a fairly accepting community, normally of older therians, but with the caveat that if I ever described my experience I would have to play down my experience. I would have to always reassure everyone that I knew I was experiencing a delusion, and that none of it was real, not like their experiences were. I have been continuously isolated from what is ostensibly my own community, and in a community of outsiders, still an outsider, at best merely tolerated at the edge, but still an interloper in -their- space. In an almost mirror of a phrase I see often from therians of โtoo human to be with animals, to animal to be among human,โ I am too human to be among my kind, but still too animal for many therians.
Things have gotten a bit better in the past decade, and particularly so on tumblr of people becoming more open with things like physical non-humanity. I am happy to have joined here, for one the relative anonymity means I can sometimes talk back, sometimes try to fight just a little bit and be heard, but also for the connections I have made, particularly with Dune, Sonar, Xem and Ike. I am very happy to have met other CLCZs. I do not feel so alone, there are others like me out there, and there are others like me on here, others I can connect with finally.
Still despite this, discussions of us not being welcome come up often. Anytime physical non-humanity comes up it does often come to demonising CLCZs as insane, dangerous, or needing serious help. Similarly, too many therians seem very eager to throw CLCZs under the bus when it comes to justifying their existence, particularly to the broader public and anti-kin. For the most part I can avoid it, but still, it keeps popping up. Even among those who do defend us and accept us, there is still a price for us to be tolerated. Many times, the justification why CLCZs are acceptable (particularly in the context of discussions of P-shifters) is that we acknowledge our experiences as delusion and that it is important that we tag our posts with unreality and delusion. Some people will say that those tags do not mean that the experiences are not real they just do not occur in -Reality-. For me at least I read it that the price of being tolerated is still to say my experiences are not real, my past and the things done to me and others is not real. I am tired of having to deny my own experiences as genuine for the comfort of others, I am tired of having to double bookkeep in every aspect of my life, including the places that are supposed to be safe and an outlet for me. I know what the humans think of my condition, and for that matter many therians, but I think I will stop tagging my experience with unreality and delusion, because they are not. I often think to drop the label for myself for feeling unwelcome and instead just use zoanthrope, even if that does not accurately capture myself either as it is still a word given to us by the humans for a delusion, but at least it is my community where I am welcome.
The truth is though, I do not hate the humans. I desire very much reconciliation. Still, as I am being actively hurt by the humans how -can- there be any reconciliation? I am very fortunate to have a few therians and even a couple of humans in my life I can be pretty open with about my experience. I know reconciliation is possible, but even with these close humans and therians (who for me fill the role of a human), I feel that I must obey them to be tolerated, not for their own actions, but for the scars on me from the actions of many humans.
Someday I will return to the water โ I cannot survive in the wild โ and likely I will go into a tank. I hope, when I do, I will be with my other cetacean friends. The humans did do me a number of kindnesses and made me clever enough that I can more or less fix my body and return to the water. I think only once there can reconciliation begin, with the main point of obedience removed and the cruellest damage the humans did to me, that of being forced to be human. I know that life as a captive cetacean would not be perfect and would carry with it many struggles and pain, and I have no doubt the humans will still hurt me some, I do not expect that others will never hurt me again โ I will still often have to obey the humans, but now more as a cetacean than a human. But at least back in the water I could be myself, from the water I could look up at the humans on the edge of the tank and know that I survived and I persisted and I am free. Perhaps I may even bond with some kind trainers. In time those deep scars across me will start to fade โ and with it that anger, that fear, that distrust. Though those scars will never fully heal, they will begin to look like the scars on many other captive cetaceans and we -can- reconcile at last.
Zwem ver, zwem vrij, kleine walvis, zwem voor altijd
~Kala
New userbox I (the host) made.
The picture was a picture I found of a crow that is brown (it's me!!!).
- Shay (They/it) | the host, we don't have a "name" or anything for our system overall yet.
Edit: Forgot to mention that any userbox that is posted as being made from us is free to use, and no credit is required, but it is appreciated.
Just went to a store and found this little enderman plush!!
How does our enderman mutual feel about this plush? @talon-dragonbeast (hope you don't mind the tag).
- Shay (They/it) & someone else don't know who the fuck (it/it/its/its/itself + ix/ix/ixs/ixs/ixself)
I decided to try and make some userboxes myself for us.
Don't know how well they actually turned out, but we love them!!!
If you want to use these userboxes, feel free to use them! Credit is not needed but is very much appreciated!
- Lynix (They/them + feline/cat/felines/cats/felineself) & Phalen (They/it + wolf/dog/wolfs/dogs/wolfdogself) | idk if both are alters or if one is a kin currently
New intro post, you can see our old intro posts by looking for "intro post" as a tag on our blog.
Hello, this is our blog for alterhuman/nonhuman and plural things mainly. This was originally made for my fictionkin/ockin; Zuki Shay Hara-Lupo. Who is a noncanon MHA/BNHA being/creature.
Here's a bit more info on my canon for Zuki Shay Hara-Lupo. It was divergent from the manga and anime. If you want to know more about my canon, send in an ask, or you can see some things on my original intro posts. The only thing I will mention here is that UA was a college instead of a high school, so my class and I were all 18 at the start of the first year at UA.
In this life, the body is currently 19, so keep that in mind. We don't mind minors interacting. Just know we (the host subpack) are more hesitant to interact with minors ourselves.
We try and make sure our posts are all tagged well, especially for tw or cw, if you see a post of ours that doesn't have a tw or cw that needs to be tagged tagged, then let us know and we'll fix it.
We will not answer/post any donation asks if you want to know why you should be able to find the posts we made about it by using the tag "no donation asks."
We will block for any reason. Especially when it comes to hate.
This is an endo safe space. We will not judge systems/plural beings for their origins. If you don't like this, leave.
We are also disabled, both in this life and in my (the host) life as Zuki, so that will also be on our blog. [In this life for all the ones after this]. We are autistic and ADHD for sure. We have a learning disability and depression as well diagnosed. We believe we might have OCD and PTSD but are not sure yet. We know we have some form of anxiety, but it's not diagnosed. We all (packmates) experience these disabilities so yeah.
Because of our disabilities, we need a service dog in this life. [I also had one as Zuki]. We will likely post more about the service dog when we finally get our stuff together and do more about it.
- Shay (They/it/xe/ze/hx/he) | Host of The Wildlife Pack, typically just referred to as the Wild Pack
Some userboxes. 3 were made by us, and 4 were made by
Edit Dec 1st 2024: Added some new tag things and moved some around.
Edit Dec 3 2024: Changed some tag things around.
Edit Dec 22 2024: Changed alter to packmate.
Edit Jan 25 2025: Added new kin
Edit Mar 23 2025: Changed some things
Edit Mar 30 2025: Added new tag
Edit Apr 4 2025: Changed some tags (we aren't going back through old posts to change them, so we'll put what the tags used to be)
Edit Apr 5 2025: Changed a few things around, probably gonna make the changes bold. Changed Shay, Zuki, & Akay tags for "fronting"/posting (not gonna change old posts so we will put the old versions)
Edit Apr 2025: Changed some fronting/posting tags, will have the old versions
Tags that are for specific things;
# howling barking and meowing - talking about stuff tag
# disabled pup - disability things
# the wildpack posting - plural [pack/packmate is used for our plurality] things (this replaced the "multi noises" tag)
# tri beta noises sfw - sfw misceverse stuff
# tri beta noises nsfw - nsfw misceverse stuff
# howling and barking at the moon - poems/poetry
# howling into the past - past life/kin memories good
# barking into the past - past life/kin memories bad
# meowing in confusion - this is just for when we are confused about something
# confused howling - questioning system/plural stuff, including origin and alters
# little pup - sfw age regression things when pup is used to refer to me/us
# little kitten - sfw age regression things when kitten/kit is used to refer to me/us
# woof woof reblog - rebloging alterhuman/nonhuman stuff or adding alterhuman/nonhuman stuff in our reblog
# the wildpack reblog - system/plural reblogs (this used to be "multi reblog")
# other reblog - rebloging without alterhuman/nonhuman stuff or plural stuff
# bark bark ask - answering asks to do with alterhuman/nonhuman stuff
# the wildpack ask - answering asks to do with plural stuff (this used to be "multi ask")
# tri beta ask sfw - answering asks to do with sfw misceverse
# tri beta ask nsfw - answering asks to do with nsfw misceverse
# meow ask - answering asks without alterhuman/nonhuman stuff or plural stuff
# ๐พ๐ชถ๐ฉต๐ - Shay | host (used to be "๐๐ฉต๐พ๐ชถ")
# ๐ชถ๐พ๐ฆด๐ชฝ - Zuki Shay Lupo | MHA/BNHA kin (used to be "๐พ๐ชถ๐ฆด๐ชฝ")
# ๐ฉต๐ฆด๐พ๐ชฝ - Cyan Lupo | RWBY kin
#๐๐พ๐ชถ๐ - Akay Lupo | DDLC kin (used to be "๐๐๐ชถ๐")
# ๐๐ท๏ธ๐๐จ - Lakey | packmate
# ๐บ๐ค๐๐ฅ - Declan (The cat face changes based on mood of post) | packmate
# ๐๐โโฌ๐๐ฅ - Lynix | packmate
# ๐ฆฎ๐๐โ๐ฆบ๐ข - Shirley | packmate (used to be "๐ฃ๐๐ฆฎ๐ฅฆ")
# ๐ฒ๐๐ฅ๐ - Den | packmate | was originally known as Dragon
# โ๏ธโ๏ธโ๏ธ๐ค - Mystery | packmate
# ๐บ๐ฆพ๐ฆฟ๐ค - Oynx Afton (the middle two are supposed to just represent animatronic shit) | packmate
# ๐ค๐บ๐พ๐ - Phalen Lupe (supposed to represent werecanine/werewolf) | packmate
# ๐บ๐ ๐๐ - Vesper Lucian (supposed to represent fallen angel) | packmate
# ๐๐ฅ๐ฒ๐ - Moonfire | packmate
We need to end up trying this!!
Thanks!!!
Everything is gonna be ok for you too!! If you or anyone else ever needs someone to talk to, you can talk to us!!
:3c
- Shay (They/it) | Local winged wolfdog ๐๐ฉต๐พ๐ชถ
- Shirley (They/ix) | Local meadow doggo ๐ฃ๐๐ฆฎ๐ฅฆ
[Trying a new format for signoffs rn]
hey :} everything is gonna be okay. half a cup of milk and half a cup of water, with a teaspoon and a half of honey mixed in and a little bit of cinnamon. youll thank me for this.
- signed, your local dragon
Thanks!
We do have windows, we think it's not 11, but yeah it shouldn't be that different. And yes we use the official launcher.
Though we wanna quickly say that we use Minecraft Bedrock in case that makes a difference.
Also we will check if this works later!
- Shay ๐พ
We just had an idea but we don't know how to go about it.
We would love to do commissions for Minecraft. But we don't know how we would give the commissions except for pictures and stuff but we would love to actually give the world(s) for the commissions but don't know how to do that. If any being knows how to do that, please let us know.
- Shay ๐พ
This is so true!!
We don't believe we have DID or OSDD, but we are plural, and it does seem like our trauma affected our plurality.
We won't argue with anyone trying to say that we actually have DID/OSDD. It doesn't even really matter to us that much whether we do or do not. All that really matters is that we are plural.
We have had our moments of thinking that our trauma wasn't "bad enough" and shit like that. So, this post definitely helps a bit.
Remember, comparing trauma is not good for anyone.
- Shay ๐พ
"my trauma wasn't bad enough i can't be a system"
whenever I hear people say this I always wonder, what metric are you using? your tolerance for how things affect you now as a teenager, or adult?
something that you experienced as a child is going to use a completely different metric! a child's brain is much less developed than an adult's and what they're able to handle is much less. for instance maybe you like horror movies? you probably can watch them without even getting scared! but if you watched the same film at 7 years old it would likely be a lot different!!
you don't need extreme trauma in order to have DID. it just needed to be extreme enough to YOU as a child, that's all. You got bullied at school? that's enough to develop DID! you had a disorder from an early age that made life hard? that's enough to develop DID! your parents were neglectful? that's enough to develop DID!
there's no such thing as gold star DID you don't need to have gone through the worst of the worst. there's no need for trauma olympics, if you have DID you have DID and that's all!
We've seen a few beings doing this so we want to join in.
Our species transition goals (+ some gender and plural things):
Get moveable ears and tail and get to wear them (almost if not) all the time [we currently have a normal fake fur tail that we wear almost all the time]
Get paw prints tattooed on our paws
Get some wings tattooed on our back
Also, get moveable wings to wear when we want/need to
Go on T (this goes with us being bodily transmasc as well)
Look into other types of gear for me and my packmates
Get to change our legal name (this is more for gender and plural reasons, though)
Get permanent fangs
Get top surgery (also for gender reasons)
Look into even more ways to transition more
If anyone has any more tips or ideas for us, feel free to share them!! Also, feel free to reblog this post if you want to make your own version of this!
For the tips/ideas, we are gonna mention the species we have in our pack (the term we use instead of system).
We have canines, felines, dragons, a tiefling, a fallen angel (that is very canine and feline like), and two creatures/beings that we aren't sure what exactly they are.
- Shay ๐พ
Coining post time!!!
Term: Special hyperfixation
Meaning: When something isn't clear between if it's a hyperfixation or a special interest. So it's just called both in an easier way.
Extra: This term is for neurodivergent beings, thought of with AuDHD beings in mind, but if a being genuinely has hyperfixations and special interests, they can use it. This term can be added to similar things as hyperfixation and special interest can. Such as alters/headmates/etc. that hold special hyperfixations just like those that hold special interests and hyperfixations.
So far, there is not a flag or symbol, if any being wants to make one, that is 100% fine.
This term is free to use. Credit is appreciated but not required.
- Shay ๐พ
Gonna just explain more.
Our back is more sensitive, especially to pain, and I (the host) almost always have my phantom wings. Sometimes, it's more prominent than others.
- Shay (They/it) | The host
a poll for the wing-havers
for me, my back has always felt much more sensitive than the rest of my body, to the point of feeling uncomfortable being touched there. sometimes when people touch my back i jump as a reflex, but not if they touch the rest of my body. i wanted to know if this is a common experience in wingedkin, so please answer the poll to satiate my neverending hunger for knowledge :}