Why Are People Still Denying That Andrew Graves Is A Bad Person, And Always Has Been In Nearly Every

The fact that the way the Lord Unknown is named changes as Andrew's perception of them does too means a lot to me.

"Something kind" 💔

All Andrew really needed at that moment was someone (or something) to open up to, to actually listen to him, to *know* him.

I'm happy he was able to get that somehow, even if he got it from a mysterious demon.

ive been on a okegom kick lately

I'm personally still not over Jinx sensually blowing into Vi's ear, and immediately being followed up with "Looking good sis".

first of all, YOOOOOOOOOOOO DOUGLAS SPRITE HE IS A CHARACTER AT LAST!!!!!!!!!!

Love the implication that it's because Renee loves and cares about him. To their children, he is not a real person.

(tbf, he calls Andrew the wrong name so yeah can't blame him)

But more importantly, just as the beginning of the episode gives us an insight of Douglas' parents (overbearing sexist father, meek mother), this vision fleshes out both parents but especially Renee's family situation.

At 15, her parents gave her the ultimatum of either aborting or being kicked out. She chose her boyfriend over her family: they married, and stuck together no matter what. This already says a lot about her.

It's clear that part of this virulent hatred she's showing is not just because she, understandably, is bitter about not receiving support, but because part of her parents' worries ended up being right. Sure, Douglas is not an abusive asshole, and it's touching how much she defends him as much as he defends her. But raising children is much harder than she apparently thought. Look at how much she lies to her mom that they're doing swell. No way she's going to bitch about Ashley to her mom :)

The fact that Renee was kicked out might also explain part of her atittude towards her kids. She's not kicking them out, not even when Ashley became of age and was still a problem for her. Sure, she urges her to find a job, but in a more "normal" way. She's not going to put them through that. Although, of course, she expects to be thanked profusely for that.

Funnily enough, I think this cements for me that, despite Andrew seeing himself in his father, he's more like his mother, while Ashley might be more similar to the dad. Renee's main concern is, much like Andrew, appearances. She doesn't want to be remembered as the mom of two killers. She doesn't want to admit she screwed up by having kids so young. She lies and lies to pretend everything is fine and they're all a happy family. Douglas, on the other hand, is so apathetic that he accidentally echoes Ashley's complete lack of care for consequences. "welp, it's bad, but they're kids." I think this is ultimately why Ashley has Douglas' eyes and Andrew has Renee's eyes.

Oh! And, according to Renee, Andrew is "Accident" and Ashley is "Mistake". Makes sense. Andrew was most likely not wanted. But since he was a good kid, they chose to have Ashley... and Renee is regretting it every day.

Oh yeah, I honestly respect any ship people want to have with Andrew, but my problem with the Andrew x Renee mood is that it literally makes no sense??

I mean they completely forget about the fact that Renee is the reason for the two brothers' misfortunes and just use Renee as an Ashley 2.0 with the exact same personality just a little more serious so you don't notice it lol

Same thing happens with most ocs, it's crazy to me to see people who hate gravecest/Ashley but ship Andrew with an oc that is EXACTLY the same as Ashley like ???

It's almost like... If you take Ashley out of the story the game wouldn't make sense/wouldn't be interesting!! 😱

I'm so tired of the hate Ashley Graves receives on the internet in general.

Not because I think everyone should like the character because there's no accounting for personal taste, but it's so obvious when they are just misogynists who hate Ashley but for some reason love Andrew and actively defend him for actions that both siblings committed.

Like no, Ashley did NOT force Andrew to do shit, Andrew had plenty of opportunities throughout his life to at least try to separate himself from his sister as much as possible and put a stop to Ashley's actions (example: take Ashley's harassment to Julia seriously and not just dismiss it)

The point is that he doesn't do it because he's just as bad as she is, and him blaming her for all his misfortunes is just his way of coping so he doesn't feel so bad about himself afterwards.

I know this is something a lot of people have already pointed out, but it's because I'm on Tumblr (where I only read posts from people who adore her) that I sometimes completely forget how much people actually hate her out there 💀

Real #1 fans of characters sexualize their favs. 💋💋💋