SO THIS MEANS MIL*VEN BONES IKTR

it’s just so frustrating seeing mike and will, two characters that are childhood best friends that clearly understand each other better than anyone else and work together perfectly, be treated like a joke just because they’re two boys.

people rush to defend mike and el and the only reasons they come up with for why they should stay together is because “they’ve been together for 4 seasons and they made out so many times!!” or “because they’re canon!!!!! 🥺”, but those aren’t good reasons at all? they don’t even have what relationships are supposed to have???

where’s the trust, honesty, communication, shared interests and actually being themselves around each other? or are you just gonna keep using the "but they saved each other in s1" or “they’re just kids” excuse even though this relationship is only affecting them (and people around them) mentally? where do you draw the line? can’t you see that their age isn’t an excuse for how bad they work as a couple? THEY JUST DON’T UNDERSTAND EACH OTHER. it was proven in season 4. they can’t even comfort each other or communicate properly. mike couldn’t tell his own girlfriend he loved her until his best friend told him to, because he fell in love with his best friend’s feelings for him that he disguised as el’s.

this is another major thing too - mike became a very disliked character from season 3 onwards, after he "officially" started dating el. most of the general audience, even people that couldn't care less about ships, just got extremely pissed off at mike and said he became an unlikeable character. even the CHARACTERS in the show got pissed at mike and kept saying how annoying he is with el. when you get into a relationship, you're supposed to change for the better, not for the worse, so this says a LOT about their relationship and the immaturity they have when they're together. there's no growth at all. it wasn't just a season 3 issue, it went into season 4. and they're unable to solve anything on their own without someone intervening? will was literally used as a plot device!

if you ask someone to tell you how mike and el are in a healthy relationship, they can’t even tell you, because there’s nothing to say. the excuses they make up to defend them just make no sense. blaming mike’s insecurities, saying this is el’s first relationship and many other things just don’t cut it. they love each other as people, but they simply don’t work as a ROMANTIC couple. the show also confirmed that they’re both insecure in this relationship and they can’t be themselves. this isn’t about their age because they’ve shown more maturity and respect with other characters they’ve been with than in their own relationship.

they rushed into romance when they were 12 years old and knew each other for 6 days, and even now, they don’t feel like equals and barely even know each other. how are they supposed to know each other when they lie most of the time anyways? el lied about her life in california and mike's always lying about things too because they're so insecure and don't feel fully emotionally safe with each other. the only person mike has felt fully comfortable with is will?

like i genuinely don’t understand why the writers are doing this if it’s not going to end with byler.

i don’t understand why they’re constantly teasing and shoving things in our face.

i don’t understand why they’ve shown that mike and will’s relationship has always been different and special since the beginning if it didn’t mean anything.

i don’t understand why they made will love mike since the beginning, before el was even in the picture, just to have him get kidnapped and then return to find out that mike has eyes for el instead and will feels like he’ll never get anything and that he’s a mistake for who he is.

i don’t understand why they’re making it clear that mike and el don’t work as a couple and that mike feels more safe and comfortable with will if they’re going to force mike and el to stay together.

i don’t understand why they’re making a gay child suffer even more when he’s been suffering his entire life and has barely been happy throughout the entire show. at least in season 3 everyone else got to have their little romance storylines and happy moments but will got absolutely nothing. he was excluded and then he had a breakdown after his fight with mike??

what was the point of any of this if byler wasn't going to happen?

End of Beginning

rip mike he would’ve loved the legalization of gay marriage (but in a supportive friend way)

just thought about will's powers reveal in stranger things season 5 episode 4 titled "sorcerer" and life is good again

i'm decently sure it's all bs, just based on the kali part. linnea wasn't part of the cast of s5, so i don't think it's likely she returns

that said, what pissed me off the most here isn't even the byler part, but kali&el saving will from vecna's possession. that once again puts him in this passive role of victim to be saved, and that goes against everything that was said about will's arc in s5 and him coming into his own, which by definition requires him to take back control. if these leaks are true, this is what's going to drive me mad, not mil*ven endgame

is this real

i hope the one abt mike is fake i can’t do this rn 😵‍💫😣

Our clerics Will the Wise and Holly the Heroic 😭 and their paladin, I guess.

theyre talking on the phone

i need a mil*ven kiss (hear me out) in the first episode of s5 (hear me out!!) that looks a lot like their s3 kiss (HEAR ME OUT!!!!). i need el to initiate the kiss, but mike not only doesn't reciprocate, he looks undeniably UNCOMFORTABLE. this time, though, el notices and confronts him about it, about how mike really isn't in love with her after all. he never was. it's a statement, not a question, she knows it, and even though mike stumbles over his words trying to explain himself, he knows it damn well too.

Do you see any potential in theories about el being Will’s twin or personality?

They seem like really interesting theories, like 012-gate or whatever seems cool but I really don't believe in them. I think there has to be some kind of connection between them, however. Like- we still have no idea why El knew what Will looked like in S1 or why she pointed to his picture, because Will went missing after El left the lab. There are also several other glaring similarities between them that are likely not just to showcase how Mike places both El and Will in the same categories in his mind.

As for Will being a part of the lab or El's biological brother, I don't believe in that at all, though I think it would be interesting. If the show did that in the end, I'm not sure I would even like it.

AHHHH WILL AND EL BEING CUTIE SIBLINGS

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