"Men in dresses are seen as bad, but women in pants aren't!"
is not the statement that "men can't be feminine but women can be masculine in society" that you think it is.
Let me introduce: women with facial hair. Full beards. Mustaches. Bald women. Bodybuilder women. Women with visible body hair. These aren't "more acceptable" than men in dresses.
Pants don't have a gendered association anymore, while dresses do. There is something to be said for that, but it certainly ISN'T "masculine women are acceptable now."
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[TW rape mention, sa mention, sex work]
so people who can see the exploitation of women in industry and they don't like it are "puritans" now. What's the point we missed? That women are sold into this industry, forced, and raped on camera? What's the point we missed? How can you be sure that these women aren't on drugs? I saw an interview with few of the sex workers and one said that she couldn't do that until she was on drugs and all her colleagues endured it and received physical and psychological traumas. What's the point we missed?
Y'all will be "listen to sex workers!" Until thousands of them come out and say they were exploited, abused, and traumatized, and then you tell them to "shut up!" and just ignore their experience, you are not "progressive", you just hate victims and women.
It’s funny (evil) because what they just said is, ‘Conversion therapy works. If you try hard enough, have enough faith, REALLY want to you can desire the opposite sex.’ Anon would rather believe that’s true than that ‘reformed lesbians and gays’ who chose to be in opposite sex relationships instead of being celibate in a situation where that is an option… Are actually just bisexuals
Funny that you should mentioned homophobic Christian lesbians because one of the ways they suppress their sexuality is by fucking and dating men
Y’all are so funny
They’re not lesbians if they date men you dummy. I meant lesbians that just never date again.
”Feminists think the goals of Tra’s and MtFs are unconnected-“ and you spent an entire book giving me really good reasons to continue to think that. This book says that the reason males are misogynistic is their fear of being perceived as feminine, therefore feminism should focus on helping males out of that brain hole. And the thing is… Feminism has tried that. Libfem bullshit has BEEN babying men and blaming women for males cruelty for supposedly being the people who won’t let them hold purses or whatever the fuck.
Has it worked? I wouldn’t say so. I look around and still see women suffering. I think the reason males are misogynistic is because they benefit from a hierarchical system that treats women as property. I think this happens regardless of any secondary factors. I’ve seen too many feminine males defend pornography to think defense of pornography comes from some place of self loathing instead of their desire to get off no matter what. The goal of radical feminists is female liberation from a system that sees them as the property of males. The goal of ‘trans feminism’ is the liberation of femininity from the shackles of masculinity. I can say that’s a fine goal, but they are so fundamentally different that they require different movements.
White people like it so we just gotta keep rewriting history like they invented it, right? I’ve also heard people say conversations about hummus and bubble tea are “the whitest conversations ever.” Are y’all serious?
SNAPS FOR KRISTA SUH!!!
Oh I was thinking about this post and how male privilege especially is talked about a few weeks ago. Like, here’s a fun joke for this question.
When did white feminine males get the right to vote in the U.S? The same time as every other male.
Privilege in general is often the benefits of the world built with you in mind that you don’t really think about. The feminine gay male will never have to worry about the growing price of pads and tampons and the inaccessibility of these basic hygiene products for female people. There feminine gay male will not be sneered at as ‘an adult now’ by actual adult males at 13 because of the way puberty effects their body. They do not have to think about pregnancy as a possibility after sexual assault. Those are male privileges and they have nothing to do with masculinity.
Note, heterosexual women also don’t face all the issues that homosexual and effeminate males do. This isn’t about how much worse women have it than gay men, and I don’t actually think that conversation would be particularly healthy. Oppression and the needs of the marginalized need to be understood in their own rights instead of this strange thing where we pretend helping one group will save them all.
interesting
“Female-assigned intersex kids’ vaginal canal size is also assessed by doctors, to ensure that it’s long enough to fit a penis inside of it. Doctors might surgically construct or re-construct vaginas, which can result in a host of health problems and necessitate multiple, multiple surgeries. This is especially the case since most intersex kids have these surgeries very young, and when their bodies grow into their adult forms, more surgeries are necessary to keep their vagina size in proportion. Non-surgical methods are also used to increase or maintain vaginal length by regularly using medical dildos to stretch the vagina over months and years. (It’s kind of like braces for your vagina, but much, much worse.) Just like there are no standards for how long a clitoris “can” be before it’s classified as a penis, there aren’t absolute standards as to how long a vagina is for it to be of “normal” length. I had a dilation procedure performed for almost every exam I had with intersex doctors from the time I was 8 until I was 16, so that they could check how long my vagina was as I grew. I absolutely hated these procedures. I mean, imagine a man as old as your father or your grandfather, who you don’t know, inserting a medical dildo into you each time you saw him, knowing that you can’t question the doctor’s orders and just accept that you have to undergo these uncomfortable procedures for your health. Imagine a decade or so later, realizing that these procedures did nothing to track your health, and had everything to do with grown men feeling good about the fact that you could fuck some dude someday like a “normal girl”. That all those traumatizing procedures weren’t actually medically relevant at all, and it actually was within my right to refuse those examinations. I didn’t know any of that at the time. I also had no idea that I wouldn’t want to ultimately have the kind of sex they assumed I’d be having, adding yet another layer of this-was-totally-unnecessary/messed-up to my history. Other kids shouldn’t have to go through this. Other adults shouldn’t have revelations some day far into the future that what was happening to them WASN’T okay, and their traumatic feelings ARE valid, and the whole system of how intersex people are conceptualized and “treated” IS entirely fucked. And it’s gotta change. We’ve gotta change it.”
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—-Claudia at Autostraddle
I just read this article and was reminded once again how invisible the intersex community often is… we need to signal boost this shit to let people know that this kind of “medical treatment” is NOT okay.
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Felt straight-up ill reading this. This is the institutionalized rape of children. It’s beyond unconscionable that procedures like this are normalized and considered “treatment”.
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jfc
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Revolting and repugnant.
See why intersex folk don’t like their medical issues being used as a rhetorical gotcha?
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Okay so there are a lot of posts like *Marginalized females stop allying yourself with marginalized males they will be sexist like every other male!’ And it’s true- and I get it- but it also reminds me of our intersection problem. Like, okay, gay males are going to be sexist towards us anyway. Straight females will be homophobic. Black males will be sexist; white women will be racist. So if your alliances are entirely based on ‘who won’t enact violence on me for an unchangeable trait’ you’re kind of shit out of luck unless you’re already in a position of only one kind of marginalization. So you’ve gotta walk this line or ‘calling out inter community bigotry’ and ‘not getting labeled as the person causing problems by bringing up other groups. Even though you’re still part of those groups.
I have preestablished biases and beliefs about the world, I acknowledge that and am willing to adjust with new information shared.
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