so, now that the season is over, can i just vent about how useless and borderline tasteless those aemond/sylvi scenes were? maybe not tasteless, as ewan wasn't filmed naked against his will or coerced like the og GOT actresses were, but i certainly didn't feel whatever it was they were trying to get me to feel by watching those brothel scenes. while i can empathize with the plight of the smallfolk and will always stand up for sex workers, it just didn't work for me in this context. yes, as a big fan of aemond, there was a part of me that wanted to see him express some degree of vulnerability this season, but with his own fucking family and not at the expense of seeing the brothel madame from s1 again! anyone who is in or even on the fringes of the HOTD fandom knows what an issue the conversation surrounding sylvi was back in 1x09, and i feel like this was a move to capitalize on aemond's popularity, set the stage for his preference of older women once he meets alys, or maybe even just filling the nudity quota as per hbo's standards. i mean, damn, if they're going to put aemond in a position of romantic or sexual intimacy, can they just save that shit for his semi-canonical love interest? hell, i would rather he be demanded to bring floris baratheon to court, which would do that job of opening up conversation about whatever is going on in the stormlands and how borros is choosing the handle the war effort on his end! sylvi is not a character we know or care about on the same level of the main cast and i doubt she's going to leave a significant impact on who aemond is going forward, so why shove this glorified extra in our faces and attach them to a character who was/is kinda the dark horse breakout fave of s1? she adds nothing to him or the story beyond another smallfolk pov - which we already have with mysaria and the dragonseeds! what a waste of time. đ
I agree. The purpose of these scenes was to humiliate the character or make him laughable for having "mommy issues" and literally drinking milk and laying in an older woman's arms. And all that so they could also include Aegon bullying him for it because otherwise he had no motivation to want to kill him all of a sudden. It is extra icky with the implication that this is the first woman Aemond was ever with as a literal child when he was brought to her to "get it wet." I don't think the show handles discussion and portrayal of sex in this show at all. Despite its "sex positive" attitude toward Rhaenyra it seems it shames every other character when it comes to sex: Aegon having his penis exploded, Aemond having mommy issues cuddling his abuser and drinking milk, the voyeuristic sex of Alicole included only for shock value and shaming the characters for being hypocrites, the lack of recognition of Alicent's inability to refuse Viserys and that marital rape scene seemingly just used to contrast with Rhaenyra's sexual liberation... To say this show is weird about sex and mixed with its messaging is saying the least.
âthis is worse than season 8.â
darlings. sweetlings. take my hands and look me in the eyes. nothing could be worse than game of thrones season 8 (2019).
My man đ„”
12 DAYS OF AEMOND TARGARYEN-MAS
Day Eight: Aemond + anger
Bonus:
For further review
Women Written by GRRM: Helaena Targaryen.
Meanwhile Helaena Targaryen written by Ryan Condal:
Summary: Aemond, troubled by his unfruitful marriage and the stress of the war, takes himself a bed slave when he seizes Harrenhal and gets more attached to her than he ever thought possible. Bringing her to the Red Keep after he needs to leave Harrenhal would not go as he hoped it would, especially after the birth of the babes he sired onto her.
Warnings: mentions of violence, light angst (kinda?), canon typical misogyny, canon typical behaviour, dark!aemond, abusive!aemond, forced relationship, forced impregnantion, canon typical classicism, mentions of assault, stockholm syndrom (kind of), non-canon storyline
Author's note: Short little chapter but at last, an update!
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By the time Aemond had made all his reports, listened to the yappings of all the council members and sat through hours of further strategy planning, he wanted to rip out each strand of his hair.
It was hard for him to focus already, the worries over his precious bed slave and her madness over their, over his, sons had all but consumed every part of his mind, and yet, odd stares from his mother and grand maester Orwyle made him all the more restless.
Finally, the council meeting was concluded and the Lords left the room. Aemond would watch in silence as Criston helped the struggling king to his feet and down the stairs.
Aegon had been burned and injured gravely during the battle at Rooks Rest over a year ago where Meleys had ingulfed him and his dragon in dragonfire, but he was growing more and more capable these days and managed to attend the council meetings from time to time.
Still, Aemond remained the prince regent, but would sit opposite of the kingâs seat at the foot of the long wooden table whenever his brother was in attendance.
From there, he watches as neither his mother nor Orwyle made any attempts to move from their seats, just as he didnât.
Sitting in tense silence for several moments, Aemond eventually fixates on the elder man to his right. Glaring at him, his voice is little more than a growl, he asks,
âCare to explain to me what is going on with my mistress?â
Orwyle takes a moment to answer, shifting nervously in his seat and glancing to the dowager queen sitting opposite of him before turning his attention back to the prince regent.
âYour mistress, my prince, would appear to suffer from some sort of birth induced mania. It happens from time to time, unfortunately.â He states before carefully adding. âMothers of such circumstance⊠they should be separated from the child. They are unable to care for the babes and may harm them during manic episodes.â
Aemondâs face hardens, his jaw clenching. âShe is perfectly capable to care for my sons. I have gone to meet her already. I do not believe for a moment she suffers from true madness.â
âShe does.â Alicent speaks up. âShe would chase anyone out of her room, preferably with the nearest sharp object in hand. Your whore is incapable of caring for your sons.â
âThat is a lie!â Aemond snaps his head to her. âWhat would you even know of this? She and what I do with her is none of your concern, I have told you so a hundred times already.â
âI am your mother. Mind your tongue when talking to me.â The red-haired woman hisses before continuing. âI am also the dowager queen and queen mother. With the queen still occupied in her grief, the Red Keep is my responsibility in your absence. That makes your whore and her spawn my responsibility as well. I needed to deal with the drama she caused. Had she not locked herself away I can assure you, this matter would have long been settled already.â
âSettled?â Aemond scoffs. âAnd what would that have looked like? Taken my sons from her? And then what?â
âMost certainly. And she must receive treatment-â
âTreatment? What would your great treatment entail?â
âTreatment varies from individual to individual. It remains to be seen what methods work best on her. Is that not right, grand maester?â Alicent urges Orwyle to speak up.
ââŠyes. Yes, your grace. It is difficult to predict which treatments will work best on her.â The man nods softly.
Aemond was well aware of how maesters would attempt to cure madness. Their methods would be torturous. His own methods of bringing her into full submission when he first claimed her would seem tame in comparison. His stomach turns at the thought of what they would have done to her in his abscence had she not kept her door locked at all times.
âYou will do no such thing.â Aemond growls. âNo one but me touches her. No one but me will make any decision on any treatments. She is not mad. The babes are healthy. There is no need to intervene.â
âNow they are. But they werenât always. Your children should be supervised by maesters not by some deranged lowborn.â Alicent retorts.
Aemond furrows his brows, looking at his mother in disbelief. His y/n hadnât said anything of the sorts. âNow? Now? What is that supposed to mean?â
After another nod from the dowager queen, Orwyle explains, âIt⊠appears we might have miscalculated the day of conception. The babes came early, it seems. Weak, very small, frail. It borders on a miracle the boys live, my prince.â
Aemond stares at him dumbfounded. He held his sons just a few hours earlier, they seemed well. Plumb, full of life. Not just that, he himself had been there when they conceived. He was sure his seed took the very first night that he dragged her to his bed near a year ago. He had watched her belly swell even before he brought her here to the Red Keep.
It made no sense the babes were born sickly when not a single issue had been encountered before. Not even when she was going about her duties of tending to him with little struggle. Well, as long as she could sit down, lay on her side and not have to bend over, that is.
The maesters voice brings him out of his thoughts. âIt is best the babes be closely supervised by maesters and raised by experienced nursemaids and wetnurses. Your⊠mistress should not have them. Mad or not, she will not be able to provide your sons with the care they need to survive.â
Aemond had always been a stubborn man. Perhaps it was his thick head that made him refuse the maesters urging, or perhaps it was his trust is his little bed slave that did so. She was a pure hearted woman, her heart soft. She had learned her new place in life quickly, she had not once betrayed him or given him any reason to doubt her.
She had nothing to gain from lying to him but everything to lose.
She was so convinced of the maesters wanting to steal their children, it could not be a mistake. She would not beg him for help and forgo all formalities with him unless she was truly afraid.
Aemondâs thoughts and emotions were in turmoil now, struggling to discern the truth between y/nâs words, the words of his mother and the grand maester, and the facts he knew to be true.
Staring off at the empty kingâs chair in the distance, his voice is little more than a murmur when he asks, âWhat do you even care for? Sheâs nothing but a whore in your eyes. You see my sons as bastards only. Why do you care for what happens to them?â
Aemond freezes at his motherâs following shameless reply. He canât believe she would just state something like this as if it was nothing unusual. It would seem little more than an odd phrasing of words to some but with his suspicions in mind, it's all the confirmation he needs.
âShe is a whore, yes. She has seduced you so she can live in luxury far above her station. Youâre just a foolish young man with no control of his urges. But⊠the fact remains that you have no heir. With only a daughter and no sons, they could be of good use to you had you done your wife the courtesy of putting them into her belly instead.â
His gaze cold as ice, he stares at her, never once looking away as he growls. âSo itâs true what y/n says? That you plan to steal my sons from her and give them to Floris?â
Alicent seems taken aback, her surprised expression shortly finding Orwyleâs startled one before quickly moving back to her son. âI donât know what youâre talking about.â
âY/n.â Aemond says firmly. âShe says she has heard someone say it. That you tasked the maesters to take my sons from her and give them to Floris.â
Alicent remains quiet for a while before her own face hardens. Straightening her posture and keeping her hands clasped firmly in front of her on the table, she begins to lecture her son.
âYou have a lady wife, Aemond. A respectable, honorable lady wife of high birth. Princess Floris has given you a daughter already and served you faithfully.â She begins. âThe only thing you still need is a legitimate son. With your wifeâs recent stillbirth during your absence, it would be easy to arrange so. Give your whoreâs sons to her. Or just one, even. You can pass him off as hers and have your-â
âENOUGH!â Aemond roars, his fists slamming onto the table as he stands up, the chair loudly scraping across the floor. âI will not hear of this! How DARE you try and steal my sons from y/n!â
Alicentâs face remains resolute, her chin held up high in defiance, while Orwyle looks like he wants to vanish beneath the floor.
âI did what needed to be done. Stop coddling your whore, Aemond. Let her pay back for living on the crownâs cost and causing your lady wife distress. Let her produce the boys and you make them heirs, as the sons of you and Princess Floris.â
Mouth hanging open, Aemond can barely believe what his mother is saying. âIf anyone has gone mad here, it is you, not her.â He says firmly. âI cannot believe you would betray me like this. Go against my orders, willing to harm my y/n.â
He glares down at his mother as he continues, âFloris will not have my sons. She does NOT deserve them. She has failed me. Failed as my wife, failed as a woman. My mistress has done within a year what that bitch of a wife could not manage in five. Y/n will keep my sons and all other children I will put into her belly and all of them will be made my heirs. Not as Florisâs children, but as y/nâs. I will legitimize them at once and have them declared as my heirs.â
âHave you lost your mind?!â Alicent is the one yelling now. âYou cannot do that! Think of the shame that it would bring to your wife! Of how it will disrupt our ally with the Baratheonâs!â
âShe is the one that brings shame to me!â Aemond shouts back, his face filled with pure rage and hatred. âIt is her failing that has made me the laughingstock across the realm! Made me the maimed prince whose cock does not work! Now they will no longer laugh, now that I have my sons! Lord Borros praised me her fertility but delivered a woman unable to carry a child properly. It is his own doing our alliance has faltered. He will not speak against my y/n or our sons. He will accept them as my heirs. He will remain loyal to our side or I will personally fly south and turn Stormâs End into a second Harrenhal!â
With that, Aemond throws the nearest cups and parchments off the table before turning on his heel to make his way out the door, curses at his mother and wife flowing out his mouth as he does so.
In his rage, Aemond makes his way to the training yard, the urge to stab one of the dummies repeatedly or challenge one of the poor squires to a duel overwhelming him.
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having one faction being written as only heroic and awesome and the other being written as only villainous and awful negates the original message of grrmâs original work, btw. itâs kind of interesting to see how these characters are written (the greens being a dysfunctional family who donât seem to like each other vs the blacks being given positive traits that belong to the greens in the books, or simply not writing things if the source material that could make the blacks seem not heroic) and how fans take this very seriously. itâs partly a result of the marketing strategy for season two, the whole âeveryone much choose a side thingâ because thatâs⊠not the point of this war, at all. but itâs also the writing and itâs very deliberately very obviously pro targaryen, especially with the whole âaegon conquered westeros for the good of the worldâ thing they have going on. which is an incredibly strange take. i think itâs really telling when you compare how the tragedies are written. rhaenyraâs loss of her children is obviously and rightfully tragic. her journey in episode one of season two was so tragic and so beautiful because you donât hear her speak until the end of the episode, when she finally realizes her son is gone. but you also have her riding a dragon immediately after giving birth to her stillborn daughter, who is never mentioned again, if i recall correctly, and that doesnât seem⊠possible. but with the greens, you have a very horrific and traumatic event via the brutal murder of jaehaerys being reduced to two silly men committing a crime, when that crime was the beheading of, like, a five year old. you then have his grandmother having sex while this is happening, in an attempt to blame her for it, which is genuinely so infuriating. idk why i made this post, i saw that season two wasnât even nominated for best television drama and i was just like. yeah i know thatâs right. you cannot expect an show adaptation of a very well-known series from a very well-known author to do well when you completely ignore the original source material and then claim your interpretation is better or the truth. itâs simply insisting on itself and itâs simply pissing on the tragedy of the dance of the dragons and itâs simply exhausting.
Aemond baby, get behind me.
people are treating grrm post like it's just another opinion on the source material. girl no. he wrote the fucking source material. when he tells you that hel was beloved of the smallfolk and rhaenyra was not it's not his opinion it's a fact. when he tells you that the people of KL rebelled and sought justice for hel it's not an opinion it's a fact. making posts quoting the author's work trying to prove why acshually hel was not that important nor was she that loved and that gwurlbos qween rhae-rhae was acshally loved so much by the people of king's landing because the people in her father's court named her "the realm's delight" when she was 5yo. be so fr The Cope.
y'all are always talking about feminism so why are you so bothered by the idea that another woman that is not rhaenyra was loved and important? why are so bothered by the idea that Queen Helaena was an important character and the entire population of KL fought for her?
anyways, in the words of GRRM - "Queen Helaena was loved. Rhaenyra was not."
âBUT ITS CANON!!!1!1â
â house of the dragon s2 appreciation week day 6 â dynamic / aegon & aemond + ao3 tags
So nice of HBO to reveal literally every second of Aemondâs screen time via stills and clips ahead of tomorrowâs episode, to save the Aemond girlies the trouble of watching. They are so kind.