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I mean he is plenty traumatized, but it doesn’t much affect him in the way that it isn’t a trauma of autistic kind, because he as genius was encouraged to be the genius, and being a genius was literally indulging in all the autistic and ADHD things which autistic kids are attacked for. He definitely had to learn how to act from the young age, but it was due to being famous and too expressive, not because it was wrong to be autistic. Tony doesn’t have typical signs which autistic people who have trauma stemming from their autism and their family and society trying to beat autism out of them. Tony doesn’t have that. He has all the signs of a traumatized human being, but not traumatized autistic. And that’s why people miss it so much. This is how non abused for being autistic person behaves. This is how autistic people would be if they were not constantly broken by the society in order to fit in. We are diagnosed based on our trauma traits.

Holly was in a podcast about autism in MCU and what it meant to us!

Autism is actually the most commonly mistook for narcissism.

(I also do not get it. Elon is nothing like Tony. I know RDJ said he based his performance on Elon Musk, but if he did, he really did fail miserably to be the same. He comes off so much more empathetic).

Maybe if autistic people tell you that a character is autistic, you should actually fucking believe them instead of I dunno accuse them of trying to excuse bad behavior with a diagnosis. Since when, being autistic excuses any bad behavior? Also, I do not want to give any credit to Joss fucking Whedon, whom I hate with passion, but he did say that Tony is autistic. Maybe that’s why he hates him so much. Because I cannot explain his treatment of that character if there was not either deep misunderstanding of who Tony is or hate.

Thinking about the fact that Steve has always been a rulebreaker and even before he became Captain America, he was allowed to get away with it because he was sickly Steve Rogers and as Cap, he was given leeway because he got shit done. Steve Rogers never learned that his actions have consequences because he was never around long enough to see them through.

Comparitively, Tony was a rulebreaker too, and during that time, he made enemies and allowed his ego to get the better of him and he knows and recognizes this. Tony strives to better himself by sticking to the rules because his experience says that if he does what he wants with no regard for who he hurts in the process, it is worse in the long run.

This was what caused the conflict between the two factions in Civil War. Steve had, a few years prior, taken down Hydra, and by extension SHIELD. No attempt was made on his part to attempt to remedy that, which meant that one of the only safegaurds put up for super-powered individuals was gone. With SHIELD gone, there was nothing to protect the Avengers from retribution from the governments they’d been operating in.

Tony opted to sign the accords because he and his army of lawyers could probably unravel the whole thing with time.

But Steve didn’t want to wait. He wanted instant satisfaction without considering the consequences of his actions. His team consisted of people with plenty to lose (Scott, Clint etc.) and his actions got them into serious trouble because Steve ‘I get what I want’ Rogers couldn’t wait.

Tony Stark learned from his mistakes, chose to take his experiences and grow as a person. Steve didn’t, he never had to face the consequences of his actions and henceforth, continued to be reckless and cause problems for himself and those around him.

You know what we do to people when they behave like Steve does? We put them in grippy sock jail or therapy. Steve simply got away with a slap on the wrist following the events of infinity war.

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steve: tony, i’m gonna need you to focus-

tony: and i needed you.

this one single exchange in endgame is literally everything.

tony saw this coming. he warned the team that another alien threat was imminent. inevitable. but they all dismissed him - steve dismissed him.

the team didn’t think they needed to be prepared or have preventative measures in place; they’ll fight threats as they come and they’ll do it together. tony had warned them that that wasn’t enough; that they would lose. and steve was okay with that; “we will lose together.”

tony said he wanted to end the fight so that they could all go home and steve said that every time someone tries to stop a war before it starts innocent people die.

and then, the avengers were divided. steve left and so did the rest. they were no longer together like steve promised tony they would be.

tony was left all alone.

only tony remained an official avenger.

only tony took the responsibility and weight of the entire world on his shoulders.

only tony was desperately preparing for a war that he alone knew was coming.

and then the war came, just as he predicted.

and they lost, just as he said.

but were they together?

no.

tony lost alone.

on an alien planet billions of miles away from earth - away from the team, away from steve - tony watched helplessly as his son-figure, a wizard, and the guardians all turned to dust around him, leaving him alone with a blue alien stranger.

and with zero promise of rescue, tony had accepted that his resting place would be amongst the stars. he closed his eyes and he was finally ready to rest.

but fate had other plans for him.

he’s not allowed to rest; not yet.

and so tony is brought home. reunited with the team who left him.

and here is steve, the man who once told tony that he was okay with losing, now refusing to accept that he lost.

for years, tony had said they needed a plan, but now, after they’ve already lost, is when steve wants to use it.

now is when steve needs tony to focus. now is when steve needs tony to come up with a plan. now, not before. now, after the work is already done.

now is too fucking late.

“tony i need you” “and i needed you”

that’s exactly the thing, and tony pointed it out.

“they do their best work after the fact.” steve only ever looked back, after something has already happened. he did the work of an a-venger. tony was looking forward. he saw what was coming and wanted to stop it before it was too late. he was doing the work of a pre-venger.

that’s the fundamental difference between the two of them.

the trick to a good insult is sort of talking around it and making them think so that it hits harder when they realize what you’re talking about

There was nothing actually wrong half the time, he just thought it was funny.

But then when they get upset, so that no one figures him out- he tells them their panicking inadvertently helped them avoid the terrible thing .

Cass knows and backs him up.

Everyone believes Cass.

Duke can see a few moments into the future but will deliver it in the most needlessly cryptic way

Jason and Bruce are arguing. Just before Jason storms off, Duke says, "If you walk out that door, you will experience unforeseeable pain and have no one but yourself to blame"

And Jason's all, "Stay out of this, Narrows"

Then he trips over his shoelace and Duke's like, "Told you so"

I think you’re a fool if you think Tony should have acted rationally after finding out his parents were murdered, watch said murder, have the killer right there and have your “ I don’t like when my teammates hide things from me” teammate right there who had known this entire time, never saying anything.

No one would be thinking rationally in that moment .

I just realized another difference between MCU Tony and Steve.

Steve since the day one thought of himself as a better man. As a person who was better than people around him, a person meant for great things, but who ultimately lacked the power to properly stand against the people he saw as bullies. Thanks to that, he was never driven by the idea to be a better person, because he already thought himself to be a better person since the beginning.

Tony on the other hand never saw himself as a better person, not truly. He may have felt proud of his accomplishments, his intellect, his tech, but it never made him feel as a better man than everybody around him, and Afghanistan only made him admit how flawed he was and how much he needed to change. Thanks to that, he was always driven by the idea to be a better person, because he knew he was not perfect, and his mistakes had real consequences.

Not being aware of your own flaws is a flaw all on itself. That’s why MCU Steve Rogers rubs me wrong. Because he is not aware of his own shortcomings as a person, and he lives in an illusion that he is the better man who was always meant to become great and do great things. He thinks himself flawless, while he is full of flaws.

OH MY GOD

HE'S LITERALLY ASKING HIS SON'S BOYFRIEND WHY HIS SON ISN'T GAY ANYMORE I'M DYING

Let’s talk Civil War.

(Ik. It’s been years. I’m sorry. I’m stuck in the past.)

Other than the fact that Tony’s side of the Accords is the non-contested accepted correct side in the entire fucking world except the USA (seriously, the entire world is telling you you’re wrong and you still insist otherwise? Maybe y’all’s really do belong on Team Cap), let’s dissect every Team Cap fan’s POV and rebut them.

1. The government should not impose on powered people’s freedoms.

Aside from the fact that this shows a fairly concerning blatant ignorance of the United Nations and all forms of international government, I can name on one hand the number of countries where “freedom” is portrayed as it is in the USA. Do you know what the stance on freedom is in the rest of the world? Your personal freedom ends at the safety of the community. (This is especially interesting during COVID and the vaccine and masking) Your life is your own, do whatever shit you want to do. No one gives a fuck if you want to eat ham or turkey for dinner. But when your “personal freedom” starts putting other’s lives at risk, it’s a fucking problem. It’s not “personal freedom” when you’re marching into a school wearing bombs. It’s not “personal freedom” when you start carrying a machine gun and threatening anyone you think is wrong. That is effectively what most of the Avengers are. They’re walking around with weapons and threatening anyone that doesn’t agree with them. And if you can’t see why that’s problematic, I don’t trust you.

2. The Government should not monitor individuals.

All governments monitor individuals and if you think otherwise, then I’m sorry but what fantasy world are you living in? Governments monitoring individuals is, usually, what leads to them catching terrorists before they blow up your local gas station or school. Governments monitoring individuals is an everyday occurrence in the entire fucking world and for due reason when people start threatening to murder world leaders or hate crime minorities. The Avengers getting monitored by the government is no different than any other civilian but for the crucial factor that the Avengers can and have acted on their threats based on personal disagreements.

3. The Government is corrupt.

This again just shows a blatant ignorance of international law and the United Nations, and, frankly, entitlement. The Accords were never going to give the United States government complete control over the Avengers when the initial problem was that US citizens were parading around with their weapons without any regard to international concerns. Further, even if any government is corrupt the way Hydra infiltrated the US government, the United Nations consists of 193 countries, 117 of them voted for the Accords, all of them would still have a say in what the Avengers do. Tell me, and use your logic please, how it could possibly be easier to corrupt 193 countries, the entire fucking world, than it is to corrupt 6 weaponized individuals all US citizens?

4. General Ross is known as the bad guy and therefore the Accords are bad because he supports them.

Correlation not causation. The Accords were written by at least 117 countries and amended by all 193 of them. Under international law, every country is allowed their representatives of their choosing, but all representatives must be present for something to actually pass. Meaning, yes, the US representative was a corrupt piece of shit, but there’s at least 192 other representatives (some countries choose to have multiple), thus, again, we go back to the argument of, is it easier to corrupt one individual or a whole board?

5. The Avengers would never have been deployed because countries have opposing decisions.

The Avengers were never supposed to be deployed for Earth-level threats anyhow. “So when the world needed them, they could fight the battles we never could” ~ Nick Fury. Key words: when needed, never could. In other words, the Avengers were not supposed to be constantly on missions, only when there was a need for a team of heroes. Further, they were not meant to fight the everyday bad guy, not terrorists or thieves or murderers, the Avengers were made to fight Extinction-level threats. It takes years of training to learn how to correctly, legally, and safely catch the everyday bad guy. None of the Avengers have gone through that training, and them being involved in such missions has canonically resulted in mass casualties. And when it comes to extinction-level threats, darling, not a single human is going to go, “well, I want the planet I’m living in to explode”, therefore, the Avengers will be deployed for those, aka: their correct purpose.

6. Some countries can’t fight their bad guys.

If you cannot see how this is blatant American Imperialism propaganda, I don’t know what to tell you. It’s true, some countries struggle with crime rates, but it is still their right as a country to decide when and how to ask for help rather than have it be imposed on them. Are you also walking around saying “we had to send our military to Afghanistan and blow up their lands, they couldn’t deal with their bad people” or “we had to take over Iraq, Syria, etc”? It’s not the place of the US government to choose how other countries deal with crimes, and it is most certainly not the place of 6 weaponized (white) US citizens to do so either.

7. Some countries are corrupt and choose not to fight their bad guys.

This effectively makes the Avengers political weapons (one of the valid concerns of the Accords), and proves exactly why the Accords are needed. Are the Avengers supposed to assassinate any world leader they deem corrupt? Because that is what it would be, assassinations. How is that not abuse of their powers? How can it be justified in any shape, way, or form? What would make them different than dictators then? “If you don’t agree with me, I’ll assassinate you and replace you with someone who does”.

8. The Superhuman Registration Act is a bad thing in the comics and the Accords are in its place.

True, the Registration Act was a terrible thing, but it comes under very different circumstances in the comics than it does in the MCU, and to ignore the political climate and story of the MCU is downright idiotic. The MCU is an entirely different story and universe than Earth-616. Why are you watching the MCU if you just want the story of the comics? Go read the comics then. This screams either one of two:

A. A lack of cognitive abilities.

B. A child throwing a fit because they didn’t get exactly what they want.

And honestly, neither is a cute look.

Did you also throw a tantrum when they replaced an orientalist racist depiction of a Chinese villain by a white man in Iron Man 3?

9. Captain America is an amazing hero in the comics.

Again, in the comics. Not the MCU. In the comics, Peter Parker’s best friend is Harry Osborn, not Ned Leeds. In the comics, Pepper Potts marries Happy Hogan, not Tony Stark. In the comics, Wanda and Pietro Maximoff are Romani-Jewish, not white. In the comics, Alexei Shostakov is Natasha Romanoff’s husband, not father. Catch my drift? The comics are different, and MCU Steve Rogers is not 616 Steve Rogers. To pretend otherwise is boring.

10. Team Cap is hot.

Honestly, the blond blue eyed look isn’t my cup of tea, but I get it. What I don’t understand is why you have to justify all their actions to love them? I adore Tywin Lannister. I’m not walking around justifying him wiping out entire families and ordering the sexual assault and murder of Elia Martell and her children. You can like someone and admit they’ve done some fucked up shit. It’s not that deep. It’s deep when you try to say they’re in the right for the fucked up shit they did.

11. Bucky.

Honestly, Bucky is his own whole complex post and if I get into it here, this post will last for days, so I won’t. I will admit that Tony was in the wrong for some parts of that, but even yet, Rogers was entirely in the wrong for everything he did “for” Bucky, and this whole dilemma could have been prevented if Rogers had for one singular second thought to go about everything the legal way. (I could make another post if I’m encouraged enough)

12. The Avengers are the good guys.

That’s the Doylist explanation. We as outside viewers know that. The Watsonian explanation is entirely different. World governments in the MCU don’t know for sure the Avengers are the good guys. What they know is that the Avengers have been involved in the complete destruction of government buildings, intelligence buildings, an entire country, and more. Do you know what we call people who blow up governmental and intelligence buildings full of innocent civilians here? Terrorists.

13. The Accords.

This isn’t an argument I’ve seen per se, but more of a general misunderstanding I’ve seen on both sides. It doesn’t surprise me though. Civil War shows one single thin file as being the entire Accords, that Rogers flips through quickly and decides is a mistake. There is absolutely no way that is correct for the United Nations. UN documents can be thousands of pages long, they’re written by legal professionals from at least tens of countries, they cover every possible scenario and they’re open to amendments. They’re worked on so long that it takes years for them to be passed. They’re filled with so much legal jargon that one singular flick will result in you understanding nothing. More likely though, Rogers was given a brief introduction and summary. Thus, him immediately deciding he doesn’t like it without even knowing what it is, gives the same energy as a child throwing a tantrum for being forced to try kiwis for the first time.

It is possible that I’ve forgotten some arguments, I’m only human after all, but if you, (respectfully. I will not be answering anyone who throws slurs or hate speech), have any, I don’t mind dissecting them.

Lastly, to wrap up my post, all I have to say is one question. Is it possible that the whole world, that at least 5-6 billion people, are wrong, and Steve Rogers is correct?